Posts by Aussie Oz

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the journey of my children in awakening

by Aussie Oz in

at the request of some, i have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.. from oldest to newest (i will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru).

had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place).

in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication.

Aussie Oz

Update 27 feb 2010

Got talking about money today. At 16 he has alredy saved a lot of money and bought his second car for some $3500. Praised his step father for teaching him about saving money and led it to how i never did. Talked about buying a block of land after his apprentichip is finished, and about investing, how the stock market works on a basic level, superanuation (is that the 401k to americans?) and realestate. Basically the diference of each one when it comes to returns.

I said you have to plan for the future... i didnt because well, i was scared armageddon would come before i got my drivers licence! We lived like it was so close that we shouldn't go to university, shouldn't put into our super etc because we were never going to need it! And here i am now, no assetts at all and facing retirement in 15 or so years.

I then said, actually that happened to a lot before 1975 as well, because the end was so close that some even sold homes and spent all the money pioneering, only to find that 35 years later they have almost nothing to retire on... in fact even back into the decades before that i told him they all thought the same.

so son, i said, plan for 50 years time! the smart ones do because what if it still hasn't come by then? how will you provide for your wife and family?

I was very careful to not give the impression that i though the JWs were wrong though. Just some seeds of doubt that may spring to live one day!

oz

Edit; oh, and another funny thing... the kids and i made guns today... we were going to work on the hotrod but we took the kids to my wifes sisters house for her mothers birthday... they has these wooden rubberband guns that the kids spent hours playing with. This morning they decided they wanted to make their own and thats what we did. One 'rifle' and one 'machine gun'. All steel, they did the cutting, grinding , i did the welding on my daughters as she was scared to and my son welded his.

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they had a ball! i took them to my wifes birthday dinner not long ago as well. My son told his mother they were ging to a family thingy of my wifes and that was all. and my daughter actually wished her happy birthday!

It is all so encouraging and yet i know that the older they get the tighter the tenticals get.

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1 May 2010

Had the kids last weekend, the first ever where they both got to stay a full one!

Amongst all the shite going on re visits i have still magaged to slip in de-program thoughts.

Saturday morning early and my boy and i are having a coffee on the front steps and i got to talking about his 'worldly' girl friend that mother does not not know about. In the course of finding out what she was like and why he liked her i commented on the fact that his mum would not aprove. That the society also frowns on this as they think she will lead him away from them. As we progressed in our chat i was able to add in that nobody has the right to stop him seeing her. That the only time a parent should step in is if there was real evidence that the love interest was a very bad person to hang around with, not if it's just that they dont like or they are not of the same religion.

Also in the chat was my own experience i added in that in all my years since i left their mum, in all the thousands of people i have met i had not met any that tried to turn me to drugs or debauchery, crime or wickedness like they said in the watchtower! I explained that what they meant was that in all these houses we could see out the front, that every person was a wicked servant of the devil just waiting for the opportunity to get us.

We came inside and i asked if his girlfriend was on facebook... he then told me that some group photo's with him in them at his school sports day were on somebodies myspace or something and that his mother went nuts! Anyway we looked up his girlfriend on facebook, with the profile set to private of course. I asked if he would like a facebook account he could use when down with dad to which he replied he had been thinking of asking if he could! Of course i said yes, but as your father i will insist on knowing your password as i will check it from time to time to make sure no real bad stuff was going on. This was not because i did not trust him but that as his father i still have a responsability to look out for him especially while legally a minor. He had no problem with this so i kinda hope he asks to set one up.

It was during this visit that i also let him know that even though i have not been a witness for a long time, i still keep up with what is in the magazines on the watchtower website as i feel it is imoprtant to know what he and his sister are being taught. This of course takes the mystery and danger out of my source of information for future discussions i plan with them.

from little things big things grow...

oz

edit: While talking about his girlfriend, he said when he was with her he could be 'himself'. I thought that was pretty significant so i asked if he felt he could be the same here (and i know he does) ... to which he affirmed and also affirmed that with mum he was not really himself that much. Later in the car we talked about feelings and he said he could tell his girlfriend anything, that he told never tells his mother his feelings. I encouraged him to feel free to tell me his true feelings anytime, that at his age i had no one i confided in, that now i am able to tell my father anything no matter how intimate...

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the journey of my children in awakening

by Aussie Oz in

at the request of some, i have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.. from oldest to newest (i will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru).

had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place).

in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication.

Aussie Oz

At the request of some, I have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.

from oldest to newest (I will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru)

Had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place). in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication. he would have only found that link by looking thru a file in my folders called 'jw' (not sure how i feel about him knowing i am doing research etc)

It began with me asking if they still had no internet at home, how did his step dad buy stuff online without it?(Library) And it led to yeah, i know the witnesses dont really like the net much do they? led it to talking about China, and how a lot of the net is off limits to the people by government control. I asked him why he thought the chinese govt would want to stop its people accessing the whole internet... his answer was maybe they didn't want the people to read bad stuff about them?

Led to mentioning the scientologists who also control internet usage among its followers, and now why on earth would a religion want to do that? Surely if a government or religion had nothing to hide, they wouldn't try to stop or limit the use of the internet? he agreed with this too.

I know of course that there are a lot of places on the internet that one would not want a kid to go too, but at least i had him thinking about restrictions as not only protection but also as a negitive information control measure.

small seed planted. This is a smart kid and i must get him to think for himself before it is too late.

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He does see me 1 day each 2 weeks. Not enough and trying to get more.

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From billythe exbethelite:Here's another seed I've been able to plant with the dubs about the Internet.

Whenever I buy anything of much expense, I do my research on the Internet. I need a new printer? I go to the web and do my research. No, I don't just go to the manufacturer's site, they'll say how perfect every product of theirs is. I need some REAL input on this stuff, not marketing hype. What are the pros and cons of the different models as explained by hopefully unbiased professionals? What about the reviews by people that have bought and used these products? What don't they like and why? Then I make up my mind. That's saved me from making bad choices on purchases.

Would we expect people to NOT research a decision as important as changing their religion? Can we really expect intelligent people to only get input from nicely dressed literature salesmen knocking at the door? Nope. This is the Information Age, and people can... and will... go to the web and search "Jehovah's Witnesses" or "Watchtower".

yep, good method Billy. will use this one! his fave pastime at the moment is researching cars as he is about to get his licence. So i think this approach is one he will understand.

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Well, another two weeks gone by. He got his learners permit and we went for a drive. It's really weird having a kid control a car, yet i must remember that was me once!

anyway, had a little chat about how he felt about turning 16 and getting his learners etc. Felling a little more grown up and realizing that he is gaining more freedom to do what he wants.

slipped in some comments on "not ever letting anybody or any one, no matter who they are, tell you what you can be or what to think. Your brain is yours and dont ever let anyone control what you believe".

left it at that and took him to his JW mates WII party with girls!

Perhaps not a huge seed but... from little things big things grow.

i also found out he spent hours texting non witness girl from school the night before too. as well as he said how he likes pole dancers and bikini oiled girl wrestling! WTF! ( I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WHEN HE IS WITH ME HE IS NOT EMBARRESSED TO REVEAL HIS TRUE SELF) he sure aint getting this influence from me! I might be a horny devil and a red blooded male but i make a point of not influencing him in that direction. He sure knows more than me at that age!

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New update 2 Jan 2010.

Had a talk with the kids today about pedophiles.

I asked them if they know what a pedophile is. My daughter volunteered that 'it is someone who likes to look at pictures of children with no cloths on'. This is, it turned out, the ONLY information either of them had EVER been given. My 16 old son said he just kinda figured it out himself.

So, a somewhat embarresed father explained to his kids about being touched in lets say, 'inapropriate places' . (I was quite specific) Further, that very often it was a crime done by people who have gained your trust as opposed to a total stranger. I also used the example of who do the police want to interveiw most when somebody has been murdered? The answer from them both was, the family. I asked them if they were aware of the Catholic church scandels about priests touching children etc, and indeed they were. So i went on to expalin that it was also something that can happen in the boy scouts, the life saving club, at dance lessons, even among the JW, or at school.

I explained that just because somebody was at the meetings with them, that did not automaticaly make them a good person, however, not to go around looking sideways at every one either. To just be aware that in ANY organization where children are expected to trust grown ups, this sort of bad thing could happen, in fact even in the 'truth', it HAS happened.

I also left them in no doubt as to what to do about it and who to tell if anybody tried to touch them, or even knew that somebody had tried. I left the discussion on the note that i felt i had to talk about thisbecause, i asked, how do you think i would feel if i did not do this, and then found out 10 years latter that they had been molested? It was my duty as a parent to make sure they were fully informed about crimes like this.

This session was more about protecting them from hidden pedopjiles than turn them off the JW. But, i must say, i am really browned off with the serious lack of talking to kids about sex, pedophiles etc in that religion.

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update:

Have been leaving talking to the kids alone a bit the last month while waiting to go into mediation with the mother.

Interesting but small things of note, the talk i had with my son about the internet being controlled by some govt and religious organizations has stayed in his mind... he commented on this when google was in the news recently over china.

also today had a little talk to my just turned 13 daughter about university. See, she wants to be an artist. She said she would probably just do the school art subjects and see where life took her...(WARNING BELLS) I took the conversation back to pro education, even if it was not in the arts. How it was entirely possible that by the time she is 22 she could have a degree etc and still be young enough to do anything, that at that age, when her friends are managing McDonalds she could be managing an art gallery, working with museums, or be on her way to being a doctor, a lawyer.

I told her that if she did not do that sort of thing it can be near impossible later, with marriage, mortgages, kids etc to go back and do it later. That she might think thats a long way off, but it is not really, 3 years more and i said you will 16 and doing year 11... it comes fast.

she said she had not thought about it that way. I concluded by encouraging her to remember that she must not let ANYBODY hold her back from doing things like that in her life.

small steps, small steps

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Thankyou Yknot, what you said means alot as i was (and still am) constantly told what a bad dad i was (am)

Wuz, i am beginning to see the same with the kids and their mother... i have never lied to them nor tried to poison them either, but they do see their mother lying to them and me...

Ok, will post this as it rather long and will continue the reposts from the past in another post

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Thankyou dad, for making me think...

by Aussie Oz in

son was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower.

i would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own wtf research on the internet about them.. anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think".

it seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work!

Aussie Oz

Thanks all again, and yes Lois, the internet is a great connection, the trick is to monitor their usage and be up front about it to them. Dont let them have facebook to young either and if/when you do, know their passwords.

I kept jwfacts on my favorites bar...and i know that at times it would show up on the use history. I knew it was them...

i also kept a folder in my pictures part of the PC titled 'JW', i showed them it was there, showed them what it contained and left it at that. I know they visited that from time to time as well

Oz

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Thankyou dad, for making me think...

by Aussie Oz in

son was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower.

i would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own wtf research on the internet about them.. anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think".

it seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work!

Aussie Oz

I have a question, how did you maintain communication? One of my kids runs hot and cold, sometimes we talk, other times he won't respond at all. With the other I have nothing, haven't for years.

I'd love to "drop seeds" as you say, but don't know how when I can't communicate.

My communication with the kids was limited to a visit once each two weeks. And it was very often for only a day. The ex had managed to manipulate access visits to bugger all time. There was no mobile phones for a long time. It was real tough at times wondering if they were even thinking about me inbetween visits even. and when they did come with a mobile phone, it was their mothers spare and i was forbidden to even know the number.

Once the boy had his drivers licence i saw him maybe every 3 weeks for a day. By that time i had secured 2 days each 2 weeks with the daughter though. I felt i had lost the boy to the JWs at that time.

I remember each time i saw them i was on edge as i so desperatlry wanted to talk to them, to get into thier heads, it was easier with my daughter. My son tended to close off, at times he would say that he knows now (before baptism) is the time to question but he just does not want to.

He went through a fair bit of therapy that blamed all his problems on me. he did blame me for all his unhappiness at that time too, so that was tough to swallow.

Still, i didn't stop dropping hints about the JWs and asking little questions anyway. I also think that his step father and his mother did a great job of driving the kids away from them and the JWs. He started to get into trouble with the JWs for having worldly girlfriend and getting drunk, how they they treated him repelled him from them more, he saw plenty of hypocrasy around him.

all i did was the best with the time i had...and sometimes i just avoided talking about the JWs at all in case they got jacked off that everytime they came to visit it became an anti JW session and not about fun.

At the end of the day, all you can do is carefully use the time you do get and rely on the fact that the WT manages to retain fewer of its young ones than ever before to help you...

Oz

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The New Diary of Winston Smith

by WinstonSmith in

we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

Aussie Oz

I think at the end of the day Winston, i think you will play it just right!

you have orchestrated a great fade so far and you will continue too...

yeah, i liked the chickens analogy too

Oz

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Thankyou dad, for making me think...

by Aussie Oz in

son was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower.

i would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own wtf research on the internet about them.. anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think".

it seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work!

Aussie Oz

Thankyou all for the comments

this forum has given me life. All i can give back is my journey (as you will find under my posts) of my own awakening and the efforts to help the kids out. Perhaps i will find time to go thru all the posts and pull out the bits and snippets about the kids, its hard to remember all the little drops of questioning i used over the last 3 years or so.

Cantleave, more than happy for you to have reposted, i feel privleged even at the thought that i may in some little way help someone else one day.

lova ya'll peoples

Oz

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New magazine Carts

by jonno12225 in

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friends

news from my wife from the recent meeting is that our congregation will be recieving 2 new magazine carts for market witnessing.

we live in a small market town in north yorkshire and have regular street markets.. the congregation is small (75+ publishers, -1 now) so it seems that this is being rolled out pretty conprehensivly now to all congs.

i still have no info as to whether each congregation has to purchase these from the hq or costings per unit..

Aussie Oz

just get your own cart full of anti JW stuff and follw them around...

Oz

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Fading with children in tow

by brainmelt in

Aussie Oz

Welcome

as the kids are quite young I wouldnt worry too much about them...it's amazing jusy how much WT stuff they don't take in if you let it be,

concentrate on the husband first. But don't assume because he is spiritually weak that he will fold. The JW spirituality status is all about how many hours door to door are done, nothing more. A wife going off the reservation can trigger questions in his mind that lead him to do MORE JW stuff not less in an attempt to bolster his weakness and bring you back in.

Learn well your enemy and read lots of how people handle things in similar situations.

oh and one more thing, Tell him nothing. Only ask him QUESTIONS to make him think....

all the best

Oz

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If you wanted to go to College/University, how do you think you would fair, after paying off your Student Loans?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

if you go to college/university...where do you see yourself in 20 years, 50 years?.

if you do not get higher learning, where do you see yourself in 20 years, 50 years?.

or loss/saving for 40 years = $480,000.00.. someone else can compound the interest.. do you have a 5 year plan?

Aussie Oz

I want my daughter to go to Uni, but not so much for the education in any particular field but for its education in life, the diversity of people and opinions. To be challenged to think, to question and to not accept that she just has to be a mummy and pop out babies (unless that is what she really wants)

I want her to see a wider world of oportunity outside small country town life which may be great during school years but does little to stimulate the mind after that.

Along the way i think (hope) she will find what she really wants to be involved in, and hopefully make a good living for her self.

Maybe she will become a doctor or a vet, a lawyer or a peace protester, i dont know, I dont care...so long as she has been exposed to oportunity and chooses.

Oz

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Thankyou dad, for making me think...

by Aussie Oz in

son was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower.

i would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own wtf research on the internet about them.. anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think".

it seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work!

Aussie Oz

Son was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower. I would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own WTF research on the internet about them.

Anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think"

It seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work! It DID make him question the JWs and their hold on him and his sister. He did admit that he was at pain sometimes wondering why i was doing it though.

He related one event that really troubled him just a few years ago, he spoke to an elder and asked him, seeing that you say we will all be happy in the new system, and that my dad won't be there, how will i be happy? I will not be happy if dad is not there...Elders answer: Jehovah will just make it like that...trust jehovah. sons response to himself "what? is jehovah going to fill me with morphine or something?"

he called the JWS and the WT evil. An evil cult messing with kids minds and giving them nightmares.

anyway, lots of little reassuring stuff from him, he is loving his life out of the borg. I just wanted to share with those who may have teenagers trapped in there, dropping little hints that all is not well in WT land, and making them question, CAN WORK

Oz